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Teen in tortured tortoise case gets jail time in California

 

A teenager who pleaded no contest to torturing and mutilating the pet tortoise of an autistic boy has been sentenced to spend time in jail, fined and ordered to give up his own pets.

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VENTURA, Calif. - A teenager who pleaded no contest to torturing and mutilating the pet tortoise of an autistic boy has been sentenced to spend time in jail, fined and ordered to give up his own pets.

Jose Antonio Mosqueda, 18, was sentenced Monday to 270 days in jail but was credited with 156 days already served and for good conduct. He could have faced up three years behind bars.

Mosqueda entered his plea in September to felony animal cruelty. Prosecutors said he snatched a 40-pound African spurred tortoise named Bob from a backyard on July 7, slashed its legs and neck, punctured its shell and threw it against a wall.

The animal is recovering but the injuries traumatized 7-year-old William Sullivan, whose first spoken words had been to his pet, said his mother, Dorothy Sullivan.

"My little boy is so scared now he fears he will be taken and harmed like the tortoise. I don't know how to make my son feel safe in our home,'' she said in court before the sentencing.

Mosqueda, 18, of Ventura, also was ordered to spend five years on probation and to pay $5,479 in restitution. Ventura County Superior Court Judge Bruce Clark said Mosqueda may not have access to any animals, which means he will have to give up his pet iguana, dog and snake.

He wrote apologies to the family, said his attorney, Brian Vogel. "He is definitely remorseful about what happened,'' Vogel said.


The Sullivan family was devastated earlier this year when "Bob," their 25-year old African spurred tortoise, was stolen and mutilated. A $2,500 reward offer from The Humane Society of the United States brought in a tip leading investigators to Jose "Tony" Mosqueda. Mosqueda recently pleaded no contest to aggravated animal cruelty charges for throwing Bob against a wall and attempting to carve him out of his own shell. Bob miraculously survived the ordeal after extensive veterinary treatment.

While Mosqueda was in custody awaiting trial, the Sullivans received threatening phone calls demanding that they drop all charges against Mosqueda -- a decision that was not theirs to make. One caller warned that "your little brown dog is next." Shortly thereafter, their family dog was fatally poisoned.

Sentencing is scheduled for this Thursday, October 18, at 1:30 p.m. at the Hall of Justice, 800 South Victoria Avenue, Ventura, in Courtroom 12. I hope you can be there to show your support.

The Ventura County District Attorney's office has put together a great case against Mosqueda. Please help the Sullivan family pack the courtroom with supporters to show that the people of Ventura County take this crime very seriously.

If you have questions, feel free to contact The HSUS's Deputy Manager for Animal Cruelty Issues, Dale Bartlett, at dbartlett@humanesociety.org . Thank you for all you do on behalf of animals.

Sincerely,
Wayne Pacelle
President & CEO
The Humane Society of the United States


Jose "Tony" Mosqueda


Man pleads no contest in tortoise abuse
Family dog poisoned, euthanized

By Kevin Clerici, Raul Hernandez
Thursday, September 6, 2007

Jose "Tony" Mosqueda pleaded no contest Wednesday to felony animal cruelty in a case involving the mutilation of a tortoise that belongs to a 6-year-old autistic boy.
The 40-pound African spurred tortoise was abducted July 7 from his owner's backyard, slashed and later dumped behind an apartment complex in Ventura.
After the hearing, Mosqueda's lawyer, Brian Vogel, said his client feels horrible about what happened.
"He wanted to resolve this case in the early stage of the proceedings and take responsibility for what he did," Vogel said. "There were probably some other people involved, according to witness accounts."
The plea brought Dorothy and Bill Sullivan some closure over the saga of their tortoise Bob, but now the family is dealing with a new heartache: the mystery surrounding the death of their pet dachshund.
As for the tortoise case, Ventura County Superior Court Judge Bruce Clark set the sentencing for Oct. 3. Prosecutors don't think the Ventura man will be sent to prison, but he could face jail time. Mosqueda remained in custody Wednesday in lieu of $100,000 bail.
The Sullivans attended the brief hearing with about a dozen supporters and said afterward that Mosqueda should have pleaded guilty if he was truly remorseful.
"If he really wants to get better as he claims, well, be honest and take responsibility for what you've done," Dorothy Sullivan said.
The Ventura family is now dealing with the death of their dog Flapps, who was euthanized Monday. The 12-year-old miniature dachshund may have been poisoned and police are investigating the case, as well as a series of threats the family has reported.
"My dog went from being perfectly healthy, chasing a ball, to dying in a matter of hours," Dorothy Sullivan said in an interview before the hearing.
The small pet, which is kept in the family's yard, likely ate something that could have been dipped in antifreeze or some other type of poison, the family said a veterinarian told them. An employee at the veterinarian's clinic indicated the dog showed "symptoms of ingesting antifreeze," though a necropsy, which would have cost the family $1,500, was not conducted to confirm the cause of death, Ventura Police Detective Kenny McConathy said.
Vogel said Mosqueda was sitting in jail and couldn't imagine he'd have anything to do with the Sullivan's family dog or threats against the family.
Accepting full responsibility
"I strongly doubt that he has anything to do with it," he said.
He said his client accepts full responsibility for what he's done with regard to the tortoise. "He's a young, 18-year-old kid with almost no record," he said. "He's apologized and will continue to apologize."
Both Bob and Flapps were special friends to the Sullivans' 6-year-old autistic son, William, who rarely spoke to people but often chattered to the family animals.
Police called Bob's abduction and mutilation one of the worst incidents of animal abuse in Ventura in years, and the incident garnered nationwide media attention.
Since the abduction, the Sullivans have endured a mix of emotions, their spirits boosted by Bob's slow recovery and an avalanche of support, including dozens of cards and letters and even personal checks from concerned strangers to cover Bob's steep medical bills.
But along with the well-wishes came the threats -- at first, mostly phone calls from anonymous men and women urging the family to drop the charges against Mosqueda, something the couple had no authority to do.
The threats, which the family reported to police, escalated over the weekend. Sullivan found a rock in her yard with an attached note that said if she did not drop the charges she "would get one in the head." She turned the rock and the note over to police.
The rock incident followed a phone call several weeks ago where the caller told Sullivan that her "little brown dog would be next," she said.
On Tuesday, a day after Flapps had been euthanized, the latest caller said, "woof, woof" then hung up, Sullivan said.
The prognosis was grave'
The dog's health deteriorated rapidly. "Flapps' organs were shutting down, and she was in terrible pain," Sullivan said, her voice cracking. "The prognosis was grave. We had to stop the suffering, so I had to put my dog to sleep, which was beyond devastating."
Mosqueda's sister, Celia Ramirez, said Wednesday her family doesn't know anything about the death of the Sullivan dog or the threats against the Sullivans.
"We don't bother them," said Ramirez, who was in court. "We don't really care about the turtle."
Prosecutor Wendy Macfarlane said Mosqueda is facing up to three years in prison when he is sentenced, but she doubts he'll go to prison because of his record and his age. "The most he can get without going to prison is a year in the county jail and then he'll be on probation for three years."
The Sullivans now screen their calls and have started bringing Bob indoors at night. They also are taking precautions with their other animals.
"This has upset our whole lives," Sullivan said, pausing to compose herself. "It's infuriating because we have done nothing wrong. We should not be having threats and going through this. Our animals shouldn't be suffering."
Explaining the situation to their autistic son has been particularly difficult, she said. "William keeps asking me when is Flapps coming home from the hospital," Sullivan said. "Before we left, he would cover her with blankets and lay with her. He was so sweet with her. They were very close."
Comments
Posted by KathrynAsh on September 6, 2007 at 2:30 a.m.
Is there any way people can donate to help pay for the necropsy of these poor people's dog. It's in the best interest of all pet owners to find out if someone has further victimized this family.
I really wonder what's going wrong with Ventura County. I moved here thinking it was safe here, but every time I look at the Ventura County Star site, I see more and more reasons to leave. There is something very very warped with a place where an autistic boy's pets aren't safe in their own backyard.
Isn't sadistic animal abuse a sign of sociopathic behavior? Jose "Tony" Mosqueda should be locked up for life, not facing probation. It seems obvious someone connected to him poisoned the dog. Why won't the police do something?
Posted by hjay on September 6, 2007 at 5:15 a.m.
It's a sad state of affairs that such sick, lack of compassion maggots should inhabit the earth. The same sick treatment they gave to innocent animals should be the same type punishment meted out to them, and castrate them so they will not bring into the world more of their sickness!
Posted by MonaLoree on September 6, 2007 at 7:13 a.m.
"...said Ramirez, who was in court. 'We don't really care about the turtle.'". It appears Sister Celia has summed it up nicely. Don't worry. Karma never forgets.
What the hell is going on? Where is the expression of compassion that resides in the hearts of ALL humans that would scream STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING? Are we morphing into evil puppets of mind, and any thought that enters our heads becomes an unavoidable command? Is resistance futile? Just drop the knife already, drop the gun, drop yourself to the ground and let the Earth begin to transform you. The time for change has come.
Why is it so hard to be soft? I'll let you know when I figure it out. Still dealing with the log in my own eye. At least I haven't resorted to carving live tortoises to medicate my human confusion. I don't see the connection of inflicting suffering on another sentient being, in a twisted attempt to ease one's own existential suffering.
Better take a good look in the mirror, for cruelty lurks within each of us and must be headed off at the pass, the seed of compassion is waiting to be watered and fed, and it's a long, long journey to Consciousness. Get to work.
Posted by RC on September 6, 2007 at 7:19 a.m.
"He's a young, 18-year-old kid with almost no record,"
what the heck does that mean? either you have a record or you don't! he sounds like a sick young man that needs help with his serious mental issues.
Posted by jbp on September 6, 2007 at 7:22 a.m.
Hey Celia Ramirez We really don't care about your brother, he should get extra time in the pokey for the dog, You can bet your ass that he knows who did that. Celia you should keep your mouth shut and just let people think that your stupid, Don't open it and prove it. (Your a great family spokes person)
Posted by AnnaWhaat on September 6, 2007 at 7:26 a.m.
KathrynAsh ,That would have been nice but the article said they had to put the dog to sleep.
Its a very terrible thing. The fear of all these threats ! It has to be either his family or some close friends. He should know who they are ! Maybe he can plea bargain for giving that info up. As in plea bargain I mean drop a week off his sentence or allow him a phone call once a month. If not then NO calls home !!!!!
My heart goes out to the Sullivans ! This has got to be a very tragic time for you all. First Bob and now your beloved dog! I really hope they catch the scum bag who is calling and making threats to your family. I would put up a surviellence system. They aren't that much. Have some senser lights. Then go to target and get the Baby system. You can also buy extra cameras to place around the house. Then just leave a VCR tape in the recorded at all times recording. IT works ! I caught a few guys that were charged with attempted murder on mine !
Good luck!
Posted by allblacks on September 6, 2007 at 7:28 a.m.
The toroise probably dissed him. Maybe it painted over some of his tagging. Or maybe it was wearing Dallas Cowboys colors in a Raiders neighborhood.
Posted by Ventuckey on September 6, 2007 at 7:29 a.m.
Mosqueda's sister sounds like a real piece of work too; "We don't really care about the turtle." What scum these people are. I hope, dispite his previously clean record and age, they make an example of this scumbag and send him away for 3 years.
Posted by kerif on September 6, 2007 at 7:32 a.m.
HELLO? VCPD- Tap her phone! Sheesh. Obveousley these calls have been going on since poor bob got hurt, there were warnings about this poor puppy - someone told her "the little brown dog is next" and then after she had to put him down, another person called and said "woof woof"..Gimme a damn break. This could have been prevented, all they would have to do is trace the call to the location. With technology these days, I cant believe they didnt do something. I know that the VCPD has more serious crimes to solve, but to us animal lovers, this is as serious as it gets. I hope they take action, and whoever is harrassing these people, STOP IT! They have gone through enough.
Posted by 805grl on September 6, 2007 at 7:55 a.m.
Thats what I was thinking...why havnt the police tapped their phones...especially with all the threats. They should even have surveillance round the clock?? I dont get it...arnt they helping this family. Sounds like the screwed up family is in on all of it!
Posted by jbp on September 6, 2007 at 8:01 a.m.
Sounds like VPD should provide a camera system at this point, This would be a good use of city money.
Posted by Ventura22 on September 6, 2007 at 8:07 a.m.
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Posted by nikkigill on September 6, 2007 at 8:16 a.m.
It makes me sick that the sister says that she doesn't care about the turtle. It seems that the whole family has issues. And is it suppose to make us feel better that he has almost no record? He is only 18 he should have NO record. He needs jail time and I think his sister should learn about compassion. I feel terrible for this family. What an awful thing to have to go through. And the poor son. I just hope that somehow there will be a silver lining for this family. Whoever is doing this needs to stop and realize that the family are the victims not the loser sitting in jail
Posted by vae4usc on September 6, 2007 at 8:29 a.m.
I dont know who is worse as a public speaker, Celia Ramirez or Miss South Carolina (for those who havent seen her, YouTube it).
It takes a real tough guy to hide behind a blocked phone #, throw a rock and run then poison a childs dog. Like most things actions speak louder then words and your action are those of sissy.
Posted by Nosmo_King on September 6, 2007 at 8:47 a.m.
Ventura22, It really has come to that. I didn't own a gun a year ago and then I discovered how slow police response time can be in S P. ( long story) I have a gun NOW.
Posted by vae4usc on September 6, 2007 at 8:49 a.m.
For anyone who knows where Celia Ramirez & "Tony" lives please please post it. So everyone can update their Christmas card list. ;)
Posted by smithjc on September 6, 2007 at 9:02 a.m.
if mosqueda TRULY took responsibility for his actions, he would have plead GUILTY, instead of "NOLO CONTENDRE" (no contest). guilty ADMITS guilt in court, nolo merely means that he won't contest the charges. while the nolo plea results in a conviction, it can't be used against him in civil court, which is where he should be next. this just makes it slightly more difficult for the family to recover damages, as the case will have to be proved there, too.
annawhat, the necropsy is done after the death of an animal. that's the term they use for an autopsy.
and for all of you recommending purchasing guns, i fully support that with the caveats that:
(a)you learn how to properly and safely handle and shoot it (if you don't already know); and,
(b) you make sure to keep it safely away from children.
Posted by muddroute25 on September 6, 2007 at 9:20 a.m.
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Posted by twocents on September 6, 2007 at 10:12 a.m.
Lets all go to the Ventura County Superior Court for the sentencing on Oct. 3. All of us animal lovers can show support to the family and also send a message that we are not going to sit back and let our animals become victims. We are going to take action. Lets use our anger, not just in this blog.....
As far as the sister goes, when he turns on her she will finally understand.
The Sullivan family should consider a civil lawsuit, for Bob and Flapps. Sometimes jail doesn't scare these types, jail is like a gold star to them. Now money talks, make them pay for all the vet bills and pain and suffering to the family.
Posted by ca4ever on September 6, 2007 at 10:18 a.m.
How can people be so cruel. Sounds like the entire family needs to be sent to jail. IDIOTS
Posted by danp on September 6, 2007 at 10:40 a.m.
I'm not condoning the act when I say this, it is very disgusting and deserves extreme punishment, but this article is very one sided and biased. Its obviously using very little of all information available to turn a story into a tear jerker causing everyone to read new developments once a week.
Posted by vae4usc on September 6, 2007 at 10:56 a.m.
danp, I know your not defending this guy but this is a follow up to a follow up to a follow up to the first story. There has been a lot of info on it too.
Posted by KathrynAsh on September 6, 2007 at 11:05 a.m.
Actually I was thinking, shouldn't the police pay for the Flapps's necropsy? The police don't make families of murder victims pay for autopsies to prove their loved ones were murdered. Obviously, this family is being targeted, the police should want to put criminals behind bars. If the dog was poisoned, that's a crime. I wonder if this scumbag, Tony Mosqueda has gang ties.
Posted by sassy_frassy on September 6, 2007 at 11:11 a.m.
omg, i can't believe Celia Ramirez said she doesn't care about the turtle. I agree with all those that posted they don't care about her or her brother also. Some phone tapping defenetly needs to be going on here. I hope the threats to this family stop and the endangerment to the their animals.
Posted by abbyjacks on September 6, 2007 at 11:38 a.m.
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Posted by smithjc on September 6, 2007 at 12:08 p.m.
kathrynash:
the police don't provide autopsies of humans. that is handled by the medical examiner/coroner, which is funded by the county (our tax dollars). they only provide death analysis in human cases. it's unfortunate, but there is no system in place for public funding of necropsies on animals in these types of cases. the police agencies in the county don't have this in their budgets.
this would be a good opportunity for the humane society or the spca to step up to the plate and provide services like these, since that what's they say they exist for.
Posted by ca4ever on September 6, 2007 at 12:58 p.m.
Hasnt a fund alreday been created for this family to help pay for all of their costs? I think they had a huge amount donated.
Posted by poppyvictoria on September 6, 2007 at 1:17 p.m.
Hi, I'm one of the people involved with putting up the website to help the Sullivan's (http://justiceforbob.com). I saw Dorothy at the hearing yesterday. She is beyond devastated over the loss of her poor dog. She also showed me the bill for over $1000 in emergency costs related to her dog. The costs incurred in this entire incident have been astronomical. Between the vet bills for Bob, a security system for their home, and now the poor dog, this family have suffered beyond belief. Please help them if you can. Even a card will help! Thanks!
Posted by blackwidow on September 6, 2007 at 1:26 p.m.
Wasn't Celia the one who said he didn't do it and that she was his alibi that he was at a B.B.Q at her house? I guess we know she's not a reliable source...
Posted by ca4ever on September 6, 2007 at 1:31 p.m.
9/5/07
Due to repercussions stemming from this tragedy, the Sullivan';s are looking to relocate to a reasonably priced rental home in the Ventura or Oxnard area. Please help by keeping your eyes and ears open, and let us know if you become aware of any potential leads.
This is on their website. So sad. We all need to go on and help as well as spread the word. It is so sad that they were victimized yet they are being traeted so horribly. My heaRt breaks for this family
Posted by angrygirl8284 on September 6, 2007 at 1:43 p.m.
It is so sad to know there are people like this is our community. Celia is just as bad as Tony. I hope they throw the book at him. To the Sullivans, I wish you and Bob the best :)
Posted by LizardL8y on September 6, 2007 at 2:14 p.m.
I'd really like to know what "almost no record" means... and he's 18 - don't pity him! Empathy is supposed to have developed in most people by the time they are 6 years old!!! And this quote: "We don't bother them," said Ramirez, who was in court. "We don't really care about the turtle."" REALLY sickens me!!! If the Sullivans are reading this, I just want to tell you, my beloved box turtle "Shelly" who I got when I was 5 (my first pet) and still have 22 years later was severely injured when a couple of my pet rats excaped and chewed her up. My horrible fault and I will never forgive myself... but anyway, my point is, her injuries were severe and they heal so slowly, but with proper care, they heal well. They feel pain, no doubt (why some people think only mammals feel pain is beyond me) but their drive to live is incredible. Shelly is a trooper and 6 years later is healthy and happy as a turtle can be! Your tortoise will get through this and get past it and he and your little boy will grow together and have a happy life together once again. G-d bless you and your family and I am so sorry about your beloved dog. I believe though, in the Rainbow Bridge, and that sweet dog is now guardian angel to your son AND Bob!!!
Posted by high_society on September 6, 2007 at 3:18 p.m.
ALthough it's sad that the dog also died, one should ask why the family keeps getting threats, especially if the young man is in jail.
Are they some kind of nightmare neighbors or something?
Just asking.
Anyway, it's a sad loss to lose two pets.
Hopefully everything gets resolved.
Posted by FedUp on September 6, 2007 at 3:33 p.m.
well, so far they have only lost one pet. and it is pretty safe to say that the threats are coming from his family or friends. considering most of the threats were about the charges brought about because of this loser kid, I dont see how it would have anything to do with how good or bad they are as neighbors.
sounds like the PD needs to step up patrols in this area. I dont think the tracing of calls works as easily as everyone thinks. dont they have to be on the phone for a certain amount of time? these sound like pretty quick calls.
either way, I hope they throw the book at this loser. people like this do not deserve forgiveness or a second chance. chances are, he will only escalate from here.
Posted by high_society on September 6, 2007 at 3:50 p.m.
I agree, but I just had to ask. Thanks for the answer, FedUp.
Anyway, just how much the sister has shown how inconsiderate and what a loser she is, you can tell it runs in the family that they have no respect for others and their belonging.
I would hate to be their parents. How embarrassing for them.
Posted by laydee6500 on September 6, 2007 at 4:18 p.m.
Poor FLAPPS! He's in doggy heaven giving dog waves to other dogs to be on the look out for CELIA and her brother and everyone else trying to help that SICK SICK family!!! I dont believe anything that lawyer says, Jose just wants to get out so he can kill next. Dont they know that! First you mutilate animals and then you kill. Its not right. Jose needs some therapy as well!!
Posted by jbp on September 6, 2007 at 4:19 p.m.
I have not heard from the little scumbags scumbag parents yet. They probably think that he is as harmless as a kitten because they have been crappy parents and could care less what the kids do or who they do it with, I hope that they only had two!
Posted by justmeinsp on September 6, 2007 at 5 p.m.
infuriating!! to think you can be threatened, you tell the police, but the police don't put a tap on your phone to trace the calls... that's why people take matters into their own hands, but then THEY get caught and put in jail... ahhhhh!!!
Posted by rcamacho on September 6, 2007 at 5:03 p.m.
I agree; trace the calls, and arm your self. I have done it in the past with excellent results..
any questions, you know where to find me....
Posted by 7107 on September 6, 2007 at 6:38 p.m.
Oh, how interesting it would be, if someone knows a corrections officer at county, and posts the reactions of the other inmates when they find out WHY mosqueda is in!
Don't drop the soap, jose.
Posted by killiansmom87 on September 6, 2007 at 7:37 p.m.
So, "a young, 18-year old kid" doesn't know the difference between right and wrong? Give me a break. Is this not how most serial killers begin their careers, torturing animals? He's only apologizing because he got caught. His sister's comments only demonstrate their complete lack of remorse and compassion. Disgusting.
Posted by honestopinion on September 6, 2007 at 8:11 p.m.
This is a pretty sad story...how can anyone do this to a child's pet? Don't feel sorry for criminals that do such. They are society throwaways.
Posted by vae4usc on September 6, 2007 at 10:43 p.m.
Good Job To Fox11 that ran a story about this tonight on the 10 o'clock news. Even showed the face of evil for everyone to see. There also was a brief clip of the "we don't care about the turtle" idiot too.
Posted by angrygirl8284 on September 6, 2007 at 11:02 p.m.
KCLA 9 also ran a story. Not very informative, but at least the public is aware of this horrible crime.
Posted by theoneintheknow on September 7, 2007 at 4:29 a.m.
What a jacka@@
Posted by AnnaWhaat on September 7, 2007 at 8:15 a.m.
smithjc ,Thanks for that info!
Posted by bearbigdog2 on September 7, 2007 at 8:59 a.m.
I thought the news announced that the turtles family was receiving threats?
Posted by LizardL8y on September 7, 2007 at 10:20 a.m.
I was very happy to see fox news at 10 show a little snippet about this story. I loved that they got a good, closeup of Bob's beautiful little tortoise face. People need to see that face, look deep into it. See that a tortoise is not a rock with legs, it is as much a living, breathing being as that dog was and as any human is. He is a vertebrate and has pain sensors. He hurt, he felt what was done to him. Thank you Fox News for showing that face!
Posted by ravensnest13 on September 7, 2007 at 10:29 a.m.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who would inflict pain on an animal is a sadistic, disturbed individual who would not think twice about doing the same to a human; no respect for life of any kind. Throw him in jail; send him in for psychiatric evaluation with his sister. If you recall, Jeffrey Dahmer started off torturing and killing animals, before turning on people.
Posted by laydee6500 on September 7, 2007 at 11:03 a.m.
Well said RAVENSNEST13!!!
Posted by kind1 on September 8, 2007 at 12:24 a.m.
It's hard to keep an eye on things in the neighorhood where Bob was snatched, because there is an abandoned and boarded up house just yards from their home, which people are always in and out of all hours of the day and night... an alley which runs from the Avenue to Cedar, which is always full of people, who don't care, who sees them doing what, gunshots are heard over here on a regular basis, and people are on the streets 24x7. What has failed to be mentioned is this: To report a crime anonymously, you can simply call into the main VPD phone number 339-4400, ask to remain anonyous and report suspicious activity regularly - Unlike calling 911 which shows who you are, and your address. Unless the good people who are tired of living in fear, start getting active and making those calls, and giving police the information they need to get crime out of the neighborhood, it's just going to get worse. Everyone talks about criminals taking responsibility. That usually does not happen at all, and for sure does not happen until they get caught. And if what you see does not involve you today, and you don't call in what you see, hear and know, - then tomorrow, when it does involve you, think of the call you did not make today, which could have saved you or a loved one, all the pain and suffering of being victimized. It takes a whole village to raise a child. Along the same line, it takes a whole community to reduce crime.
Posted by theoneintheknow on September 8, 2007 at 8:28 a.m.
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Posted by kind1 on September 8, 2007 at 6:08 p.m.
I repeat: What has failed to be mentioned is this: TO REPORT CRIME ANONYMOUSLY, simply
CALL VPD at 339-4400,
ask to remain anonyous and report suspicious activity regularly - Unlike calling 911 which shows who you are, and your address.
You have nothing to fear, but fear it's self. Fear will keep you a prisoner in your own home, in your own mind. Your best friend in times of danger is your phone! Use it.
Posted by NothingButTheTruth on September 8, 2007 at 6:29 p.m.
Darn... gambling being illegal, I just wanted to bet one of you how long it would be before Tony The Psychopath committed ANOTHER crime... just like the "batted" burglar of Oxnard. Obviously he'll have family support in doing so!
The next big question is: Will his Judge see through his disguised apologies... obviously generated by this coach/lawyer, not sincerety.
Posted by KathrynAsh on September 9, 2007 at 3:14 a.m.
I'm really annoyed by the Ventura County Star's reporting? Did the prosecutor offer a deal so this didn't go to trial? If so, why didn't the prosecutor let this go to trial and let a jury hang this SOB? Read the comment section, a jury in Ventura would have let this guy rot in prision for a very long time.
Posted by RoofMan2 on September 9, 2007 at 11:27 p.m.
tony is not a man. he is a boy. his family has taught him some low values. sounds like the Ramirez and the Mosqueda families have all withheld information from the investigation of the crime of cruelty and now of the threats to the family and dog killing. is withholding information not a punishable crime? do we have jail cells for families? or at least some counseling to help get them on a better track?
Posted by meander on September 10, 2007 at 10:53 a.m.
kind1: where exactly do the Sullivan's live? I live very near that alley (Wall Street) leading to Cedar--didn't know this happened that close to my place.
Below is a link to the "Justice for Bob" petition to get the MAXIMUM sentence for the piece of human garbage that did this--did you know he has MANY pets of his own?--I'd hope at the VERY LEAST they would take them all away and not allow him to own any more...
http://web.mac.com/poppyvictoria/Site_12...
Posted by meander on September 10, 2007 at 10:57 a.m.
oops--I meant to post the direct link to the petition in my last post--here it is:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/give-bo...
I hope you all make your voices heard!!
Posted by MrsG on September 10, 2007 at 2:03 p.m.
this definately was a terrible thing that happen and i agree with most comments. but why does this have to be a "gang thing"? is it because he's hispanic (allblacks)? i dont like the gang bs
Posted by kind1 on September 11, 2007 at 5:35 p.m.
In repsonse to: meander September 10, 2007 10:53 a.m. where exactly do the Sullivan's live? I live very near that alley (Wall Street) leading to Cedar--didn't know this happened that close to my place.
They live close to the Corner of Cedar and Center. Won't say exactly. You know....
Hey Meander - did you see the 8 cop cars on your street late Sunday night (9/10/07)? They got a guy and his Gloch gun off the street. he did not look like a gangster... you never know....
In Response to: MrsG on September 10, 2007 why does this have to be a "gang thing"? is it because he's hispanic (allblacks)????
Uhhh, if you act like a gang, and threaten like a gang, and stick together like a gang, and protect each other from the law like a gang, if you terrorize victims and try to stop them from seeking justice from the pain of suffering of your friends like a gang, and you destroy life and property without any respect for any living thing like a gang, Then it's probably A GANG. It's a mentality - not a color - that makes gangs - you know there are white gangs, oriental/asian gangs, hispanic gangs, black gangs and there are gangs where color does not matter, but the core belief does. www.streetgangs.com; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang; www.knowgangs.com; Although youth gangs have existed in the cities of the United States almost as long as the nation itself: www.ericdigests.org/pre-9216/gangs.htm
Rules of gangs??? Yep!: www.geocities.com/Athens/4111/nogangs.ht... 
Sorry the use of a term that has been around for centuries upsets you, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....
Posted by poppyvictoria on September 11, 2007 at 5:37 p.m.
The perpetrator is not actually a member of an official gang. He's just a "wanna be" gangbanger that hangs around with other "wanna be" loser friends. (probably the losers that poisoned the dog)
http://justiceforbob.com
Posted by kind1 on September 11, 2007 at 5:42 p.m.
Oh yeah, meander - from what I was told - the "boy" who did it, lived on Cedar just up from Simpson, in the apartments by the hill, I think they are called the Ventura Valley View Apartments. And his friends and family are still around.... talking about how they don't care about things.... and I used to worry about pets in this 'hood cuz of the coyotes in the hills...
Posted by meander on September 12, 2007 at 8:11 a.m.
thanks for the info kind1--I plan to be in court Oct 3 to get a look at these subhumans for myself, since we're neighbors and all...and right on with the "gang" explanation, though wannabes are often worse cause they have more to prove.
didn't catch the excitement Sunday night, but the black-and-whites cruise by my place regularly.
glad you posted poppyvictoria, so I could thank you for creating the "Justice for Bob" site--looks like the petition is filling up nicely!!
Posted by kind1 on September 14, 2007 at 9:52 a.m.
October 3? Hope I can make it also. Do you know the exact info, court room #, morning or afternoon. Curious... Anyone know who the presiding judge will be?? I hope that Mr. Totten will be present at this one also. Just to signal that it is no less ok to torture an animal - than it is a human being. Too bad society has not yet come up with a EARLY HOME DETECTION KIT FOR SOCIOPATHIC PERSONALITIES... well, actually they have - it's called counseling, psychiatry, or psychology. There is a test Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory - (MMPI for short) and it is one of the most frequently used personality tests in the mental health fields. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory
too bad schools don't use that the way they did IQ tests back in my school days. There might be a lot more intervention, if we knew someone's tendancies, rather than how intelligent they are... Pretty accurate stuff too, if people are honest. Bet this "kid" would have been at the top of his class for hostility.
Posted by joeMomma on September 14, 2007 at 3:35 p.m.
Of course this idiot's gang-banger wannabe friends poisoned this lady's dog - as retaliation. They should be shot as well.
Posted by dsull37449 on September 15, 2007 at 12:37 a.m.
Dorothy Sullivan: AKa Bob's and William Mom.
To all who want "justice" or want to make a differnce be at the hearing on Oct. 3, at 1:30 in courtroom 12, Judge Clark, is presiding. If the courtroom is packed with "Bob" supporters this will send a strong message to the judge that the communty will not stand for people who live there lives by intimidating others, and abusing animals. I have stood strong through most of this ordeal because I believe in our judicial system, and I refuse to live my life being bullied and intimidated. My family has had our lives turned upside down more than anyone can possibly understand by the Mosquedo's and his friends. I have seen my son, tortoise and sweet dog suffer unnecessarily, due to the heartless actions of others. I held Flapps in my arm as she passed, talking to her about our fun walks in the hills, as my heart broke. Flapps was my first baby, and I will miss her terribly. Flapps was a gentle little soul, as is Bob, and William. This being said, I don't want any violence to be perpetuated against the Mosquedo's. I chose to concentrate my energy on the wonderful people who have come to my home, sent me such thoughtful letters, emailed me and called me on the phone, all had been touched by Bob's story, everyone showed me such kindness, which helped me to deal with this. A community has been united, people from all walks of life have come together to bring love, and caring to a little boy and his best friend "Bob the tortoise". I have witnessed amazing acts of compassion, and altruism, all of which have touched my heart. I don't want to tarnish all the good that has come from this terrible event with any more violence. Thank you, Dorothy
Posted by kind1 on October 6, 2007 at 8:27 a.m.
October 6th, and I just searched Mosqueda's name on StarOnLine, and did not get anything current about sentencing. Anyone know? Or another continuance? And did the Sullivans Relocate (I don't want to know WHERE, just they are SAFE)? I saw Ventura Police on their side of the street last night around 9:00 PM. I pray that all is well with them.


Not guilty plea in tortoise case
Man accused of harming animal
By Raul Hernandez (Contact)
Tuesday, July 24, 2007
A Ventura man on Monday pleaded not guilty to animal cruelty in connection with the mutilation of Bob, a 40-pound tortoise taken July 7 from a Ventura family.
Jose "Tony" Mosqueda, 18, who was in custody in lieu of a $100,000 bail, appeared before Ventura County Superior Court Judge Kevin McGee.
McGee set the next court hearing for July 31, and a preliminary hearing for Aug. 2.
The African spurred tortoise, who was abducted, slashed and mutilated, is now out of critical care and recovering at an animal rehabilitation center in Montecito.
Mosqueda, who is being represented by the Public Defender's Office, is facing up to three years in prison for the felony crime, said Deputy District Attorney Wendy Macfarlane. She said the charge is a felony because of the severity of the tortoise's injuries.
Police called Bob's abduction and mutilation one of the worst incidents of animal abuse in Ventura in years.
The 25-year-old tortoise belongs to Dorothy and Bill Sullivan of Ventura. It is a special friend to the Sullivans' 6-year-old autistic son, who rarely spoke to people but often chattered to the animal.
Outside the courtroom, Dorothy Sullivan said she hopes Mosqueda gets a stiff sentence.
"Somebody that was this callous and cold-hearted that they could attack a defenseless animal is somebody who has a serious issue," she said. "He has problems and needs counseling, something of this nature."
Macfarlane said Mosqueda has never been arrested for animal cruelty.
Mosqueda's sister, Celia Ramirez, said her brother has never been arrested for any crime.
Ramirez, who became tearful at times during an interview after the hearing, said her brother wouldn't hurt an animal. She said he has two pet snakes and recently gave one away. He also has an iguana, and the family has a pit bull dog, Ramirez said, adding that her brother once owned a turtle.
"He's never been cruel to none of his animals, not even to us," Ramirez said. She said her brother told her he didn't commit the crime he is accused of.
"He's not capable. I know he is not," she said. "They (witnesses) say that they've seen him and his friends do it. Why is my brother the only one in jail?"
She said her brother has an alibi that places him at a different location when the tortoise was mutilated.
"We were home that day, and my other brother who lives in Oxnard was with us. We were having a barbecue," Ramirez said. "We were all there. The whole time."
Meanwhile, the tortoise's health continues to improve at the animal rehabilitation center in Montecito.
"Bob is doing quite well. We had him checked this last week, and no infection yet, which is a good sign," said Jeanie Vaughan, founder of Turtle Dreams, the rehabilitation center. "His internal organs are working all right. His anemia is improving. It is going to take a while to become fully recovered, but he is going to be OK. "
Posted by ROLL_IT_UP on July 24, 2007 at 7:28 a.m.
Remind you of another case in history? Jeffrey Dahmer, he started out mutilating and torturing animals also, till he moved on to people. I hope this guy gets punished to the fullest!
Posted by FedUp on July 24, 2007 at 8:56 a.m.
of course he would not harm his own family pets! then he would have to answer the authority figure in his own home. kids like this always end up torturing the animals in the neighborhood. I hope he spends a lot of time behind bars for this. future serial killer...
Posted by joey805er on July 24, 2007 at 10:25 a.m.
Unfortunately, I know his brother and if this guy is anything like him, then all I can say is I hope they lock him up and throw away the key.
Posted by nikkigill on July 24, 2007 at 10:47 a.m.
This guy deserves the harshest sentence possible. This is exactly how murderers start out. I am just happy that I have not heard his family come forward in his defense.
Posted by emgarber on July 24, 2007 at 10:51 a.m.
how sad that an animal can be hurt in such a way - was it a gang dare or something - leave the animals alone!
Posted by adam13 on July 24, 2007 at 12:44 p.m.
Innocent until proven....
As an aside....sure many murderers start out by mutilating animals, but I rarely see the stats side by side, that compare HOW MANY DON'T ever mutilate animals.
I wish Bob well!! And I hope that if it is proven that this man did the deed, then yes, he ought to be held accountable for his actions.
Posted by vae4usc on July 24, 2007 at 12:49 p.m.
Thats a bold statement from his sister.
"We were home that day, and my other brother who lives in Oxnard was with us. We were having a barbecue," Ramirez said. "We were all there. The whole time."
That whole section of the story can make or break this case.
Posted by nikkigill on July 24, 2007 at 1:24 p.m.
the sister should go to jail for perjury
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Posted by FedUp on July 24, 2007 at 2:51 p.m.
I sure as heck have never mutilated a tortoise before. innocent till proven guilty only means something in the courtroom. in the public opinion, it is always guilty until proven innocent.
dont worry, no one on this board will be asked to be on his jury.
Posted by MrsG on July 24, 2007 at 3:49 p.m.
i agree, w/ collazo. but unfortunately in the state of california often times we are guilty untill proven innocent. and emgarber, cant this just be a unruley kid? why a gang thing? sounds like racial profile to me, because he has a shaved head? or that hes hispanic? i too hope whoever did this gets punished, but lets not jump the gun just yet
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Posted by fourlegsgood on July 24, 2007 at 4:33 p.m.
What a sick sad world we live in. Ship him away, somewhere far, far away so we don't have to see his frightening visage the next time he strikes. No mercy for abusers of anyone, especially helpless animals and children.
Posted by johnz on July 24, 2007 at 6:48 p.m.
this guy better not get off. what a disgusting scum. he gets what he deserves, and unfortunately given our justice system, or lack there of it seems sometimes, he will probably get a reduced sentence, time served bs and a small fine. if only the law of "an eye for an eye" was a choice for scum like this. this guy, and people like michael vick, should have done to them what they did to the animals upon which they inflicted this cruelty.
Posted by ScumBuck on July 24, 2007 at 9:05 p.m.
ang em!
Posted by AnnaWhaat on July 24, 2007 at 9:12 p.m.
"He's not capable. I know he is not," she said. "They (witnesses) say that they've seen him and his friends do it. Why is my brother the only one in jail?"
This statement concerns me.... So if there were other witness's who saw this happen I'm leaning towards thinking he could be. And if his friends did help as stated in the sisters comment WHY are they not in jail??? Very good question.
Well no wonder I got a F in Biology for not disecting that darn frog !!!!!!!! That is just sick to me !
Posted by KathrynAsh on July 24, 2007 at 10:08 p.m.
What was done to Bob should be done to this animal. He should be locked up before he starts harming people. Everyone knows sociopaths start w/ animals.
Posted by FedUp on July 25, 2007 at 9:54 a.m.
"guilty till proven innocent if you're Hispanic I guess....."
thats crap, and you know it. why does someone always have to bring race in to it? is it because you lack any kind of real arguement? I am sorry, but when all the evidence points directly at you, I will automatically think you are guilty. just like the kid who killed the lady on the bike, and ran away. he is pleading not guilty, but I already think he is guilty. too much damning evidence.
get rid of the race arguement once and for all.
Posted by AnnaWhaat on July 25, 2007 at 3:58 p.m.
lakeshow1 , I would hope that people are not thinking like that. It has nothing at all to do with race, religion or sex. I dont know if he is guilty and never once said he should be punished for this crime in anyway........... I just wish if he is not guilty that he had a better alibi besides just family members. Then it would be better for him if he isn't guilty. But I for one never put race into a comment.
Posted by Montana on July 26, 2007 at 7:16 p.m.
Look at his eyes- there's nothing there. We'll be hearing a lot more about this character.
 
 


 
I am not sure who is the next Jeffrey Dahmer... Michael Vick or this monster Jose "Tony" Mosqueda below...

http://www.ocregister.com/news/bob-...arrest-richards 

Friday, July 20, 2007

Police arrest man for torturing Bob the tortoise
Meanwhile, the tortoise '; a key pal to an autistic 6-year-old '; is on the mend.

The Press

VENTURA '; An arrest was made Thursday in the vicious attack on Bob, a 42-pound pet tortoise who was slashed and stabbed after being stolen from the home of an autistic boy.

Police said the attacker tried to cut Bob out of his shell. His hind legs were badly cut, a toe was cut off, his neck was slashed and his shell was punctured with a sharp object. The animal also was thrown against a wall, police said.

Jose "Tony" Mosqueda, 18, of Ventura, was booked at the county jail for investigation of cruelty to animals and grand theft.
It is believed he acted alone, police said.

"It's a good feeling. It's kind of neat," Sgt. Jack Richards said. "It just really pulled at some heartstrings and it's good to have someone in custody."
Witnesses to the torture provided information that helped lead to the arrest, Richards said.

Two rewards totaling $3,500 had been offered for help with an arrest and missing tortoise fliers were posted throughout the area, but Richards said he didn't know if that contributed to the arrest.
The 25-year-old African spurred tortoise belongs to Dorothy and Bill Sullivan and is a special friend to their 6-year-old autistic son, who rarely spoke to people but chattered to the animal.

The tortoise was snatched from their yard on July 7, brutalized and dumped in brush behind an apartment complex.
An anonymous caller told the family where to find Bob.
Police declined to discuss a motive, but Richards said it didn't appear the attacker wanted to eat Bob.

Dorothy Sullivan said Thursday that she and her son danced with happiness when they heard of the arrest.

"This is wonderful news," she said.
The boy had not been sleeping well since the attack, she explained.
"His security fell apart," she said. "He was afraid that somebody was going to come and steal him and take him away and hurt him."
"Now he feels safe. Now he can go out and play," she said.
The family has installed security cameras and an alarm on the backyard fence so that Bob will be safer when he returns.
The tortoise was being treated at Turtle Dreams, a Montecito rehabilitation center. He remained in guarded condition and was being fed through a tube in his neck.

"He's getting more relaxed and coming out of his shell" more often, said Jeanie Vaughan, the center's owner. "If he continues without any infection, I think he's going to be fine."
Dorothy Sullivan said Bob did an amazing thing when she visited the center earlier in the week.

"He took his first steps," she said. "He brought his head completely out of his shell ... and then he struggled to his feet."

The tortoise collapsed but then managed to take eight steps.
"When he finished, he had a tear in his eye ... as did the rest of us," Sullivan said. "It was an excellent, great sign."

Bob's plight made headlines across the country and prompted a flood of calls from people wanting to help. Sullivan said she had created a huge display of cards and letters, including one from schoolchildren who sold lemonade to raise money to help pay Bob's vet bills.

"I'm still getting 25 calls a day from people all over the nation: New Jersey, Montana, Arizona. I can name almost every state," Richards said.
 


Injured tortoise comes home
The 40-pound African spurred tortoise from Ventura that was abducted and mutilated has recovered enough from its wounds to come home, owner Dorothy Sullivan said today.
The tortoise, Bob, is scheduled to have surgery Tuesday but is eating on his own and no longer needs a feeding tube that was inserted while he was recovering at an animal rehabilitation center in Montecito, Sullivan said.
His first meal at home included his favorite foods: hibiscus flowers and roses.
Although stable, Bob is still unable to put weight on his rear left leg. "The concern is that he may have a tendon or nerve severed," Sullivan said.
Once under anesthesia Tuesday, Bob's slow-healing slash wounds will be examined by doctors at the Double R Veterinary Center in Calabasas.
"His deep wounds are not closing the way they should," Sullivan said. "The doctor is going to clean them out and close them up."
The tortoise, a special friend to the Sullivans' 6-year-old autistic son, William, was abducted July 7. William was ecstatic to have him home today, Sullivan said.
"William was having a really hard time with Bob gone," she said.
The family has built a temporary enclosure with screen material to allow Bob to exercise and keep flies off his wounds.
Jose "Tony' Mosqueda, 18, of Ventura has pleaded not guilty to felony charges of animal cruelty in the case. Mosqueda is facing up to three years in prison if convicted, prosecutors said.
~Kevin Clerici
kclerici@VenturaCountyStar.com
 
Anybody heard of the turtle tortuter Jose "tony" Mosqueda?
a few weeks back there was a huge article in Ventura Ca about a man that kidnapped a 25 yr old turtle and slashed it up. this is pretty bad. heres the thing though, i grew up with tony, or as we called him black tony, and he is an avenue boy. the turtle slashing was becuz the lady ratted out tony about his dog. so he retaliated by getting the turtle. then he was arrested and she ratted again, so some homeboys killed her dog. harsh. but they live in a ROUGH neighborhood and that is street justice. does any1 else agree with me? it was either the dog or the kid. thats the way of the hood.
 
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There was a lie circulating to justify why Mosquedo attacked the Tortoise. I was there with the "dog" incident. Which was not anything at all. I was a neighbor leaving from the Sullivans, as we were walking out of her gated yard, Mosquedos pit bull broke free from Tony and ran into the Sullivans yard after their miniature dachshund. Dorothy Ran to pick up her little dog before it was attacked by the pit bull. In one motion she picked up her dog with one hand and pushed the pit bull away with the other hand. Mosquedo told her not to touch his dog, and she said then "get your dog out of my yard". That was all that happend, the whole event lasted 30 seconds. I have heard all sorts of lies, that Mosquedo spread before he got arrested to justify why he attacked the tortoise. Mosquedo did not even know the tortoise belonged to her when he broke into the back of her property. The pitbull attack happened at the front of the property, while Bob was stolen from the back of the property. This is a very large property. The Sullivan's are kind people, who care for their neighbors and the community. This was not "street justice" this was a small sick man trying to justify his sociopathic behaviour, by spreading lies. There was no "ratting out" The center where the tortoise was taken to be treated reported the crime. You defending Tony is because you are probably one of his friends, or you are the guy who poisoned the dog because Dorothy would not drop charges.
The problem with the criminals is they are stupid, it was not possible for Dorothy to drop charges she never brought charges against Mosquedo. Animal abuse charges are prosecuted by the state. All that was accomplished is another innocent animal suffered and Tony will pay the price, because the murder of the dog is the result of the first crime so this counts against Mosquedo. Another sad fact is your comment "it was either the dog or the kid' that is the words from yet another sociopath, for you to think that it is acceptable to take a life for any reason shows you are ignorant, and have very serious problems. Also the Ave. is not the "hood" I grew up in the "hood" of Los Angeles, I have been around real gangs. The Ave. is mostly hard working people just trying to make it, the street punks, and white trash are the problems. Bottom line Mosquedo and his friends are criminal, Mosquedo commited a crime, and he is doing the time, that is the way of the United States of America.
 
 

by Usaidit! Member since: 22 July 2006 Total points: 498 (Level 2)
I don't agree with you. It's sad when people have to run around like they do, instead of acting civilized and resolving their differences in a less violent way. Why not try to rise above where you came from instead of trying to rationalize it? I know people who came from bad 'hoods and they still found a way to make something of themselves. People who have this ability are to be admired.
What did those animals ever do to that guy? If we all acted like Tony then there would be chaos. People would be killed for no reason or just for looking a certain way. If people cannot act decent in society they don't belong in it.
Your comment "it was either the dog or the kid', what does that mean? That he would have done something to her kid for ratting him out? That's disgusting!


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