Address: PO BOX 301 KANAB, UT 84741
Work Phone: 435-644-3996
1946 N 1650 E NORTH LOGAN, UT 84341
John Mathis Address: 384 E 2500 S VERNAL, UT 84078
Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 6:22 AM
not very often received a reply from a politician that can match yourself in
sheer unsolicited aggression, ignorance, stupidity, complete and utter lack
of any and all manners and decency.
concerns Butterball - you know nothing. And you are proud of it. Typical
Read below, and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO try and
understand. It is hard, I know .. but make an effort.
** "STAY OFF MY
PRIVATE PROPERTY!" **
What, Mr. Noel, exactly, is meant with these
words? Believe me, I have no interest whatsoever ever in coming even
remotely near your *property*. There is not enough disinfectant in the world
to wash that stain off again. God ..
Throw away your Iphone, my dear
man. If you know nothing better to do with it than utter such complete
I can't believe people like you are actually elected
representatives, ha ha.
The US - wow. Always good for a laugh.
Expert statements on Butterball Animal Abuse:
Lesley Rogers, PhD
Over the past forty years, Dr. Rogers has made outstanding contributions
in the fields of animal neuroscience and behavior. Dr. Rogers founded the
Research Centre for Neuroscience and Animal Behaviour at the University of
New England, where she also chaired a number of committees. Dr. Rogers has
served as the president of the Australian Society for the Study of Animal
Behaviour and as the president of the International Society for Comparative
Psychology. She is currently a professor emeritus of Neuroscience and Animal
Behaviour at the University of New England and a member of the editorial
boards of six international journals. Dr. Rogers states:
shows shocking brutality. The birds are lifted by their wings, pulled by the
neck, thrown, kicked and dragged. All of these are cruel practices
inflicting pain and injury. The footage on injuries shows gross external,
and most likely internal, wounds. Many of the wounded birds have flies
crawling on them, which indicates that they have not been treated. Other
footage shows birds with advanced eye infections that also have not been
treated. The injured birds are without doubt in great pain.
comes extraordinary cruel killing by battering the birds with a rod. Some
are left to die slowly. Those who remain conscious endure extreme suffering
that is both inhumane and totally without any justification. It seems to me
that the workers who inflict this pain have themselves become brutalized.
This is clearly a facility in which animal welfare is not only ignored but
also the workers go out of their way to be mercilessly cruel.
----- Original Nachricht ----
Von: Mike Noel <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Datum: 27.02.2012 08:08
Betreff: Re: (US - Utah) House passes bill to
stop 'animal-rights terrorists' shooting video on farms
> Mr Hartig
> The bloody pictures of the so called abused Butterball Turkeys were most
> likely caused by the Turkeys pecking on each other and themselves. This
> shows how little you and other "animal rights activists" know about turkey
> farming, or anything to do with agriculture. I wouldn't put it past you or
> others to have staged the whole thing . STAY OFF MY PRIVATE
> Rep Mike Noel
> And please, Mario Savio, a low life
sixties agitator who thought advancing
> mankind meant carrying the F
word around on a sign? Give me a break.
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:06 PM,
> > Rep. Mr. Jack R. Draxler
> > Rep. Michael E. Noel
> > Rep. John G. Mathis
State of Utah
> > House of Representatives
> > the activists you are targeting are as little
"terrorists" as advocates of
> Human Rights are. Human Rights, such an
achievement the United States is
> proud of ..
> > Can't see why, if
advocates of animal welfare and animal rights are
> condenmed by your
government and yourself as criminals - as indeed Human
> Rights advocates
are, to this day, in backward countries like China.
> > Where
mass animal abuse is legalized, as it is in so-called modern
agriculture, in the fur industry, vivisection etc. the only way of fighting
> this indeed CRIMINAL industry and those who protect it with laws that
> never have been passed in the first place is by undercover
> > And let me be clear, Mr. Draxler (""I think
it's an invasion of privacy,"
> said Rep. Jack Draxler, R-North Logan.),
there is NOTHING PRIVATE about
> these atrocities so commonly and
unthinkingly perpetrated on US farms, in US
> slaughterhouses, labs, etc.
> > Someone who produces child pornography in his home could, I
> equally claim his privacy had been unjustly invaded by law
> attempting to ruin his *business*.
> > Naturally
you would say, and rightly so, that there is, and must not be,
anything *private* about such criminal, abusive, behaviour toward
utterly helpless beings.
> > As indeed is the case with animals in
agriculture (among other
> *industries*), so wholly unprotected from
wanton cruelty/death in the name
> of profit maximisation/indifference or
simply joy in causing suffering.
> > One example among far too
> > I will leave you with
this to ponder - said by countrymen of yours who
> obviously were a lot
further advanced in their views and ethics than you
> > "A universe is, indeed, to be
pitied whose dominating inhabitants are so
> unconscious and so ethically
embryonic that they make life a commodity,
> mercy a disease, and
systematic massacre a pastime and a profession."
> > Professor J.
> > "The moderates in our movement have precious little
basis for reprehending
> those who raid laboratories or engage in 'ecotage'.
To paraphrase Seneca -
> 'Extremism in the cause of compassion is no
vice, and moderation in the
> pursuit ... of justice is no virtue.'"
> > Robert A. Hansen
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Thank you.
> > Sincerely,
> > D.
> > Germany
> > _____________________________________
> > There comes a time when the operation of the machine
becomes so odious,
> makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take
part, you can't even
> passively take part, and you've got to put your
bodies upon the gears and
> upon the wheels, upon all the apparatus, and
you've got to make it stop. And
> you've got to indicate to the people
who run it, the people who own it, that
> unless you're free the machine
will be prevented from working at all.
> > Mario Savio, Free
Speech Movement of 1964
> > The greatest right in the world is
the right to be wrong. If the
> Government or majorities think an
individual is right, no one will interfere
> with him; but when agitators
talk against the things considered holy, or
> when radicals criticise, or
satirize the political gods, or question the
> justice of our laws and
institutions, or pacifists talk against war, how the
> old inquisition
awakens, and ostracism, the excommunication of the church,
> the prison,
the wheel, the torture-chamber, the mob, are called to suppress
free expression of thought.
> > Harry Weinberger, ?The First
Casualties in War,? letter to the editor,
> "The Evening Post, New York
City", April 10, 1917
> > "Since I entered politics, I have
chiefly had men's views confided to me
> privately. Some of the biggest
men in the United States, in the Field of
> commerce and manufacture, are
afraid of something. They know that there is a
> power somewhere -- so
organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so
> complete, so
pervasive -- that they better not speak above their breath when
speak in condemnation of it."
> > Woodrow Wilson, The New
> > _____________________________________________________
> > House
passes bill to stop 'animal-rights terrorists' shooting video on
> > By Dennis Romboy, Deseret News
> > Published: Friday,
Feb. 24 2012 5:19 p.m. MST
> > SALT LAKE CITY ? State
lawmakers took aim at what one representative calls
terrorists? who shoot videos or photos on farmers? property
permission to create propaganda to destroy the agriculture
> > "This is not about animals. This is a group of people who want
to put us
> out of business. Make no mistake about it," said Rep. Mike
Noel, R-Kanab, a
> rancher and farmer.
> > Noel said ranchers
are good people who care for their animals and "we
> certainly don't want
some jack wagon coming in and taking pictures of
The Utah House on Friday overwhelmingly approved HB187, sponsored by Rep.
> John Mathis, R-Vernal, after some spirited debate. The bill now moves to
> Senate. Democrats opposed to the measure called it too broad.
> > "My concern is that this bill simply goes too far," said Rep.
> D-Salt Lake.
> > The bill would make it a class
A misdemeanor to hide a recording device on
> a farm and class B
misdemeanor shoot video or photos after being asked not
> to or record
> > Mathis said animal rights groups like
People for the Ethical Treatment of
> Animals raise millions of dollars
for "slick ads and propaganda" but spend
> little on animal welfare. He
called them "animal-rights terrorists" during a
> legislative committee
> > "I think it's time someone stands up," said Mathis,
a veterinarian and
> part-time farmer.
> > Rep. Patrice Arent,
D-Millcreek, wondered if a child taking pictures on a
> field trip to a
farm could be prosecuted under the proposed law.
> > Supporters
of the bill said they couldn't see that happening.
> > Rep. David
Litvack, D-Salt Lake, said the measure is not just about
groups. A farmworker may record behavior that should be brought to
authorities. "There is no whistleblower protection," he said.
At an earlier hearing on the bill, PETA spokeswoman Lindsay Rajt said
undercover photography is needed to bring public attention to animal abuse
> on factory farms. Such investigations have led to criminal prosecutions in
> some states, she said.
> > "I think it's an invasion of
privacy," said Rep. Jack Draxler, R-North