| June: |
Senator Bartlett, I believe you're a
vegetarian ... good onya!!!! But when did this come about?
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| Andrew: |
I became vegetarian when I was about 19 or
20 (16 years ago). I've tried being vegan a couple of times,
but sadly haven't succeeded (yet). |
| June: |
Has it been difficult for you? |
| Andrew: |
I haven't found it difficult at all in
terms of resisting meat. It can be a bit difficult finding
decent food when you travel a lot, although that's certainly
less difficult than it used to be. It can get a bit tiresome
when people treat you like you're from some alien planet just
because you don't eat meat. But the frustrations of getting
vego food will never outweigh the positives! |
| June: |
What's the best part of being vego and
what made you decide to 'turn'!? |
| Andrew: |
The best part is being able to reduce
the unnecessary suffering of animals. I think this was the
main motivation I had for trying to go vego – if I can stay
alive and healthy without eating animals, then there seems no
reason why they should have to die just to suit the desires of
my tastebuds. Since I became vegetarian I've also become much
more aware of the massive additional environmental damage
which meat production causes.
(Picture right: Andrew at work in the
senate.) |
| June: |
Can you recall what instigated your vego
lifestyle? |
| Andrew: |
I'm not one of those people that has
blinding flashes of revelation (very boring I know). I'm much
more someone who comes to a view over time as an accumulation
of things. I think I've always had something of an
appreciation for nature. |
| June: |
Are there some folk that think that this
is just a fad for you? |
| Andrew: |
I don't think anyone that knows me thinks
that. Maybe my mother thought that for the first year or so.
Although I try not to be too pushy, I still tend to do a fair
bit of 'preaching' on vegetarianism – much more than I do on
most other issues – so I think people know it's a strongly
held belief rather just a passing phase. |
| June: |
What do the rest of the Bartlett clan
think about you being vegetarian? |
| Andrew: |
My wife has been vegetarian longer than I
have and if anything is a bit more strident about it than I
am. The rest of my family are fairly accepting and I think
even concede that there's a valid logic to vegetarianism. I
haven't managed to fully convert any of them yet, but I think
some of them are certainly eating less meat than they used to
– I don't know if that's my influence or not. |
| June: |
Are people taken aback when they discover
you're one of those s t r a n g e vegos?! |
| Andrew: |
I think different people have
felt I was weird for a variety of reasons. Some people find my
dress sense a bit odd. I also used to have very long hair and
from time to time indulge in wearing nail polish and/or a
variety of earrings (still do from time to time) – a few
people find that a bit odd, but I find most people are
comfortable with people being able to be themselves. Let's
face it, you can't get lower in most people's eyes than being
a politician, so being a vegetarian is certainly no damage to
my reputation. |
| June: |
What tickles your tastebuds? |
| Andrew: |
I love anything with mushroom and/or
tempeh. Hot curries and spicy food are a particular favourite
too. |
| June: |
Have you found that when you're travelling
that there's plenty of yummy vego fare to be had? |
| Andrew: |
It's getting better, although there's not
many restaurants better than Squirrels which is in Newmarket
in my home town of Brisbane, about 2 suburbs from where I
live. |
| June: |
Are you a culinary genius or a kitchen
disaster? |
| Andrew: |
Well, I can produce edible stuff, but I
don't have a natural feel for it. |
| June: |
Foodwise, at conferences etc, are you well
catered for? |
| Andrew: |
Most times it's fine these days. I think
I've spruiked loudly about vegetarianism for so long that
people remember to cater for me. Mind you, they know I'll
still make a few barbed comments about facilitating
environmental destruction, landclearing, soil degradation and
huge water consumption whenever the meat appears – all good
natured of course. June: Of course! |
| June: |
Feathers 'n' leather ..... how far you do
take your animal rights stance? |
| Andrew: |
I'm not as good as I should be. I do
usually wear leather shoes – just haven't got around to
ordering some shoes from Vegan Wares yet. I also have a
rainbow coloured feather boa which a good friend gave to me
which I wear in the Democrats' float at Mardi Gras. Sometimes
I point out to others that I still mainly wear leather shoes
as a way of suggesting to them that it's not a matter of all
or nothing – even if they just reduce their meat consumption
it is a move in the right direction in reducing animal
suffering and environmental damage. None of us can completely
avoid damaging the environment or hurting animals, but we
should all be encouraged to do what we can. |
| June: |
I haven't bought any shoes from Vegan
Wares yet, though I've heard they're excellent, but my guy
buys his shoes at K-Mart! They're brilliant, and very cheap,
last for ages too. As for your feather boa – it may not be
real feathers as there's a lot of faux feathers on the market
these days...... |
| June: |
Zoos, circuses with animals, rodeos and
factory farming – your thoughts here please Senator
Bartlett? |
| Andrew: |
I find rodeos to be particularly
appalling – they are so obviously cruel and don't have even
the flimsiest justification other than some people find it fun
to torture the animal. They're almost as bad as bullfighting
in my view. I can see no justification for animals in circuses
either. Whilst I am not comfortable with zoos – a well run
wildlife park is much better than a zoo any day – there can be
at times some benefit by maintaining animal numbers with
endangered species. Although this should never be used as a
substitute for trying to maintain habitat and numbers in the
wild. There has been some improvement in the conditions at
zoos in recent years, but there is still a lot of room for
more improvement. I believe that some animals, particularly
larger ones such as elephants, lions and the like should not
be allowed to be kept in captivity except in exceptional
circumstances. Unfortunately these also tend to be the animals
that draw people into zoos and keep them profitable.
(Picture right: Senator Bartlett helping with the
rescue of sick and dying hens in a huge battery cage
shed.) |
| June: |
Is there one area of animal exploitation
that you find particularly disturbing? |
| Andrew: |
Factory farming is a classic case of the
profit motive overriding any concerns about the rights or well
being of animals and often overriding concerns about
environmental impacts as well. It is the clearest
demonstration of animals being turned into nothing more than
economic commodities with no other value. It has also reduced
people's understanding of what is involved in producing
food. |
| June: |
Are there any other vegetarian politicians
lurking about?! |
| Andrew: |
I'm not aware of any other federal
politicians who are fully vegetarian. I've had a couple tell
me they are partly vegetarian – I'm not sure what that means
although anything's better than nothing. I've seen other
federal MPs listed as vego on an international vegetarian
website, but I've asked them and they're not. Sadly, none of
the other Democrats or the Green Senator are vegetarian,
although I'm still working on them. I'm sure Richard Jones in
the NSW Parliament is a vego – I think Ian Cohen is too. |
| June: |
How has your health been since you
eliminated animals from your diet? |
| Andrew: |
I never felt much difference either way.
I've never particularly been into healthy living and my diet
is not always that good. I'm one of those people that don't
get sick much, but if I do, it won't be because I'm
vegetarian, it'll be because I don't exercise enough (OK I
don't exercise at all) and I eat too many potato chips and
drink too much alcohol and coffee. |
| June: |
Yes, it's really funny that people
automatically assume that because one is a vegetarian that
we're all 'hippie-love-peace-and-mungbeans' – guzzling down
copious amounts of lentils and carrot juice at a rate of
knots! I've always been healthy but I don't exercise and I'm
not standing at the stove boiling up legumes up all day! |
| June: |
So you seem to actively encourage others
to eat a vegetarian diet? |
| Andrew: |
Yes, without being too pushy about it, I
do try to encourage other friends and many Democrat members
when a chance presents itself. |
| June: |
Do you take vitamin supplements? |
| Andrew: |
Not often. |
| June: |
Any animals in your life? |
| Andrew: |
I live with a Rottweiler, who is very
sweet and very old and sadly not too well at the moment. I
also lie with a marmalade tabby cat who decided to move in a
couple of years ago. (Despite the Rottweiler). |
| June: |
Have you been involved in any animal
rights protests? |
| Andrew: |
I have been involved in three different
rescue missions into battery hen establishments. I've also
done a range of protests and press conferences from time to
time – usually around the battery cage issue, although also on
circus animals, live sheep trade and animal
experimentation. |
| June: |
Do you think you've influenced a few
people towards a cruelty-free lifestyle? |
| Andrew: |
Hopefully millions – though
it's always hard to judge! I try not to seem too much like I'm
trying to convert people – more like putting forward an
example of a good way to reduce environmental degradation and
animal suffering. As a strong environmentalist, as well as the
Democrats' environment spokesperson I'm often talking about
ways we could better care for the planet, so it fits in well
with the vegetarian message.
Certainly a number of people have told me they've become
more aware of animal issues as a result of me – sometimes just
on one issue that particularly disturbs them and sometimes in
their overall approach. Sometimes the people who have
expressed for an animal rights issue have surprised me –
including Senators from other parties. Occasionally I get the
feeling some politicians don't speak out so much on the issue
because they're worried it's seen as a 'fringe' issue and
might damage their credibility.
I disagree strongly – I have found that, while people may
not be vegetarian many of them still have concern about animal
suffering and there is an enormous amount of unnecessary and
preventable suffering and cruelty that is being inflicted on
animals. I do a lot of statements and speeches on a huge
number of issues – tax reform, welfare issues, gay rights,
environmental protection, immigration, refugees,
multiculturalism, housing, tourism and more – and I've found
the most positive public responses I have had have been on
animal rights issues.
Banning the battery cage is certainly more popular than the
GST I can tell you that.
(Picture above right: The famous postcard to
highlight the plight of the battery hen. It certainly did
that, plenty of people are still talking about it. (Click on
the pic to see a larger version of the image). |
| June: |
And finally – what do you want people to
know about vegetarianism and animal rights? |
| Andrew: |
The basic message I try to give out is that vegetarianism
is an easy way to help the environment and reduce animal
suffering. Whilst I'm personally not that interested in the
health impacts, there is also no doubt that a vegetarian diet
is as healthy, if not more so, than a meat-based diet.
On animal rights more broadly, I try to raise awareness
about the reality of the suffering that is deliberately
inflicted on so many animals when it doesn't need to be. Once
people know what's happening they are more likely to support
moves to changes things. People can make changes to their own
lifestyle in a manner and at a pace that suits them – you
don't have to be a purist in everything – but the first step
is to be aware of what's actually being done to animals and
then showing people what they can do to change things. This
might be through pressuring industry or governments to change
things, or changes they can make to their own
actions. |
| June: |
Thank you very much for the interview. You
know, I just want to be able to tell the animals that are
suffering; animals that are trapped inside tiny cages, animals
that are being forced to buck in a rodeo or being made to
perform in circuses etc "It's going to be okay ... Senator
Andrew Bartlett is on your side ... help is on its way!" |
In a sad postscript to this interview, Andrew's much loved
rottweiler Oscar passed away not long after this interview was
done. So, pictured right is Andrew and Oscar.
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